Didn't realize Quantum Explosion represented all of wormhole space pvp'ers.

You can still do that, but you actually have to work and scout for that NPC information rather than just getting it from a out of game source instantly. This is wormhole space the unknown is what we are about. So adapt or die.

Tell me how hard it is to kill PVE caps usually multiboxed? Judging by your own killboards bloody easy aint it?

I admire your stamina tho don't get me wrong it takes dedication to do as much rolling as you do we tend to be a bit more lazy, but saying it takes skill and doing ONLY that... still seems dull to me, but to each his own :)

this is an excellent change and long overdue. congrats ccp for getting something right ))

This aspect of WH space is not broken. You do not need to fix it. No one is getting a massive advantage- the tools are available to everyone, and anyone who spends a few days living in WH space will know about them.

Further, API kill data is a content generator. It does not hurt the game, it enhances it. While it may not be *by design* (oh, the Holy Design!), so effin what? It's worked out well.

There's a ton of things that can be done to improve WH space. This is not one of them.

This data is a massive advantage to those groups who wish to hunt people in wormhole space. Groups only looking for PvE or who lack sufficient PvP force in wormhole space don't have an API for determining whether or not the connections to their wormhole contain a group of people looking to maraud over their stuff. Removing it levels the playing field between these groups.

I disagree.

NOTHING changes for the groups that are only in Wspace to run sites. The risk is still the same, the threat for them is still the same.

Honestly, I don't understand what all the fuss is about.

First off, what you said made no sense at all.
But I can definitely see how this change can cripple a One-Trick-Pony corp like QEX.

I can see how being in a less active timezone would suck, however, looking at your killboard it would seem that you gank stuff around the clock. So how do you do it? Alarmclock or something?

Could you please elaborate on that? Or is this all that he said (obv I wasn't there ;))

easy risk free kills

Yes, that right there, why use a program to avoid playing the game? smooth way to pass by the actual action of PLAYING the game, come on, get in a ship and play EVE, not some third party program.

Yes I read the post, and I do not care about the delay at all, real time or 30 days, I could care less. Once again, get in a ship and play the game and quit using a 3rd party program to do your game play for you.

You want consistent high isk kills in an area of the game where the mechanics are designed specifically to make it difficult to get consistent, high isk kills.

There are many other sources of information which function just as well, so maybe it's time you taught your scouts how to use them.

High risk doesn't necessarily mean that it HAS to be easy to get killed on a regular basis. High risk can also be viewed as you have more to lose if you do get killed.

FW pilots fly frigates all day and can lose them all day, that's the PvP they enjoy. C6 WHers fly capitals but because they live in WH's they need to lose them on a regular basis? There's a bit of a price discrepancy there, and if you want a ratio of risk to reward I think the FW players are winning.

Rolling the hole was always supposed to be like rolling the dice. Having 100% reliable intel available within seconds after your scanner jumps in a hole is like knowing that 2 out the 5 dice will always be a 5 or 6.

Random trolling

Those capitals have to be manufactured, the materials hauled, etc...

Majority of the WH's you roll into are empty you say? Well if you're fishing in a lake that you know for a fact has very few fish to catch, why are you complaining about starving? Find a place with more fish.

Heh, made me smile there. Bobbers are used for children and people who prefer not to have to pay attention to their line. I think you have done a great job of proving the other side's point for them with your extention of the analogy.

derailing

Is it a bad change? I don't think so. Maybe people will feel safer and run more sites? Good, more content.

But is it the only information available to you as a player to find targets?

without any possible way to know that you have caps logged off in the system?

Farmer Rage&Tears

wow, such risk

You didn't answer the question, btw

some words from someone who dont know what he is talking about

The next problem is the follow on effect, more farming will properly lead to nano's dropping in price. This will then hit the smaller groups in c1 to c4 space hard making there income less (which to me is already to low anyway).

It's the follow on effect I'm pretty worried about as this could potentially effect the whole of wh space in a bad way,. It's also something I think people are forgetting about.

I really need to get more info.

Trolling attempt

if having to use an out of game tool to exploit a grey area game mechanic is the only way to produce pvp situations

if hunting farmers requires so many warm bodies that you can only do it in prime time, then maybe there should be a fix that allows hunting in smaller groups. for example, you could take a look at the mechanics and the practice of rolling statics.

I used statistics provided by CCP Diagoras that, while dated, give a much more credible approximation of the ISK values in question than your absurd kb calculations.

All wormholes: ~11T/ month
All EVE ISK faucets including that : ~60T/month

You don't really seem to have much going inside your head so perhaps it's really better to ignore stuff like facts.

drop an alt into a WH that looks like that

proposition

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Seems legit... If they want that ISK, they can fight for it. If you want conflict in WH space, you can encourage it instead of just blatantly forcing it in situations where you yourself are taking very little risk.

wall of words from someone who never pvp in WH

wall of unexperience from a rookie

Fairy tales

its a ***** butthurt

/off topic

Really? Hmm. Interesting.

Darn it. I am feeding the troll.

/on topic

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This is happening regardless of our input, WH guys.

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Your desperately failed attempt at ad hominem to avoid answering to the facts makes you look even more naive than you've accomplished so far.

This is a scanner alt.

Still avoiding the facts :)

Facts:

1) NPC API belong to wormhole space and it was for years
2) TROLLS FARMERS and RMTers agree with its removal

I gotta say, the most amusing thing I find from this thread.

Obvious Trolling

in 1% .

The vast majority of wh FARMERS are not against it.

Wall of text

Another wall if incompetence

Maybe removing the npc kills and delaying sigs from appearing for 5 mins would balance it all out. ;)

tl;dr
true wormholers never boast with their killboards ...

What is feared that CCP will do is just cut the data feed and do nothing else, after pretending to listen to our concerns. Some of us are hoping this won't happen.